Collection of historical ranks

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:

The prussian ranks are correct! 
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

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nope.avi

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Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later.

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

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For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

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Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

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I'm German, i know my native language quite well

Though the Prussians tended to use French Ranks since Frederick the Great and i have no proof that that had completely changed in the Napoleonic Wars (though its imaginable of course).

And Fähnrich was introduced as batallions were introduced, it was a officer rank till 1807, then the highest NCO rank. For instance, german Wikipedia.

Spoiler

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_Armee

And please dont use other people in the Forums as Sources, even if they're propably very well informed

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If you read it he clearly states his information is form another reliable source. Just because you speak the language natively doesn't mean you know it's history and ranks perfectly, does it?

I don't know jack **** about artillery or cavalry ranks despite being English. Your point is invalid.

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Kator Viridian said:

Skass said:

Kator Viridian said:

From what I know of British Cavlary NCO ranks of the time:

Trooper
Lance Corporal(Although not used at the time I beleive, confirmed by Wiki but looking for other sources "Chosen man was used for a precurser before lance corporal" considering chosen man was used during the napoleonic and there are no other sources of a mention of lance corporal up to the 1900's i'd say Lance Corporal didn't exist then)
Corporal
Corporal of Horse (Sergeant ... From a squaddie source, Sergeant sounds too much like servant ... so being pompus guys it is Corporal of Horse with 3 chevrons)

Then the standard Commisioned officer ranks ensue.
Lieutentant
Captain
Major
Colonel

Adjutant (Adjutant is an adjusting rank so being an Adjutant of a Generals guards can mean you outrank a colonel but Adjutant is usually ranked below Lieuteant but above Ensign, sometimes an Ensign can outrank a Colonel depending on who he is adjutant for).

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Rhansk alot, will add them.

And i believe this "squaddie source" is Emprie Total War? 

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Wouldn't touch Empire with a barge pole, "Squaddie" is reference to Military personal within the British armed forces used by Military personel/family members of military personel, quite often raises and eyebrow of confusion amungst "Civies" or Civilian personel due to the closed black humour atmosphere reguarded in the British Army

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Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:

The prussian ranks are correct! 
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

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nope.avi

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Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later.

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

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For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

Spoiler

Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

Click to expand...

I'm German, i know my native language quite well

Though the Prussians tended to use French Ranks since Frederick the Great and i have no proof that that had completely changed in the Napoleonic Wars (though its imaginable of course).

And Fähnrich was introduced as batallions were introduced, it was a officer rank till 1807, then the highest NCO rank. For instance, german Wikipedia.

Spoiler

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_Armee

And please dont use other people in the Forums as Sources, even if they're propably very well informed

Click to expand...

If you read it he clearly states his information is form another reliable source. Just because you speak the language natively doesn't mean you know it's history and ranks perfectly, does it?

I don't know jack **** about artillery or cavalry ranks despite being English. Your point is invalid.

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hey hey, no need to argue

I was just referring to the "Zweite Leutnatn" what soudns quite funny and i was referring to that im aware that "seconde" is nto a word in german

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Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Skass said:

Gwyrdh said:

Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:

The prussian ranks are correct! 
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

Click to expand...

nope.avi

Click to expand...

Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later.

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

Click to expand...

For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

Spoiler

Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

Click to expand...

I'm German, i know my native language quite well

Though the Prussians tended to use French Ranks since Frederick the Great and i have no proof that that had completely changed in the Napoleonic Wars (though its imaginable of course).

And Fähnrich was introduced as batallions were introduced, it was a officer rank till 1807, then the highest NCO rank. For instance, german Wikipedia.

Spoiler

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_Armee

And please dont use other people in the Forums as Sources, even if they're propably very well informed

Click to expand...

If you read it he clearly states his information is form another reliable source. Just because you speak the language natively doesn't mean you know it's history and ranks perfectly, does it?

I don't know jack **** about artillery or cavalry ranks despite being English. Your point is invalid.

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hey hey, no need to argue

I was just referring to the "Zweite Leutnatn" what soudns quite funny and i was referring to that im aware that "seconde" is nto a word in german

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Ah sorry, I wasn't arguing I was making a point. I thought you were denying my submissions based on the fact that you're German and I'm not.

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Feldmarschall_Ben said:

But I am the Field Marshal.

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Agovic said:

Montenegrin Ranks ( Montenegro only officially had infantry, cavalry was supplied by the Russians )

**Reform of July, 23 1809 by Vladika Petar I

-Regrut ( Recruit )
-Vojnik ( Private )
-Vojnik 1. klase ( Private 1st class )
-Zastavnik ( Flagman / Seargent )
-Poručnik ( Lieutenant )
-Kapitan ( Capitan )
-Pukovnik ( Colonel )

Generals :
-Ađutant-Đeneral ( Adjutant )
-Serdar ( Brigadier general )
-Knez ( Divisional General / Duke )
-Vojvoda ( High duke )
-Feld-maršal ( Field-Marshal, officially only held by Peter I, Admiral Senyanin and Imperator Aleksandr I of Russia )

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SvenssonHD said:

It's Överstelöjtnant & Vicekorpral (särskrivning). It's spelled Korpral, not ''Kopral''. It's Fanjunkare.

For Sweden it's rather:

Menig

Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]
Korpral [Corporal]
Sergeant
Fanjunkare
Fältväbel

Fänrik [Infantry Officer, banner carrier. Equivalent Ensign]
Kornett [Cavalry Officer]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Kapten [Captain]
Ryttmästare [Cavalry Captain]
Major
Överstelöjtnant
Överste

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Bluehawk said:

Here are the Russian ranks for 1800-1826. They're a royal - or should I say imperial - cluster****.

Ranks of the Line	Ranks of the Cavalry	Ranks of the Artillery and Engineers
Рядовой - Ryadovoy Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik Портупей-прапорщик - Portupey-praporshchik Фельдфебель - Feldfebel Прапорщик - Praporshchik Подпоручик - Podporuchik Поручик - Poruchik Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan Капитан - Kapitan Майор - Mayor Подполковник - Podpolkovnik Полковник - Polkovnik Генерал-майор - General-mayor Генерал-лейтенант - General-leytenant Генерал от инфантерии - General ot infanterii	Рядовой - Ryadovoy Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik Эстандарт-юнкер - Estandart-yunker Вахмистр - Vakhmistr Корнет - Kornet Подпоручик - Podporuchik Поручик - Poruchik Штаб-ротмистр - Shtab-Rotmistr Ротмистр - Rotmistr Майор - Mayor Подполковник - Podpolkovnik Полковник - Polkovnik Генерал-майор - General-mayor Генерал-поручик - General-poruchik Генерал от кавалерии - General ot kavalerii	Рядовой - Ryadovoy Фейерверкер - Feyerverker Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik Портупей-юнкер - Portupey-yunker Фельдфебель - Feldfebel Прапорщик - Praporshchik Подпоручик - Podpurchik Поручик - Poruchik Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan Капитан - Kapitan Майор - Mayor (removed after 1811) Подполковник - Podpolkovnik Полковник - Polkovnik Генерал-майор - General-mayor Генерал-поручик - General-poruchik Генерал от артиллерии/инженер - General ot artillerii/inzhener Генерал-фельдцехмейстер - General-feldtsekhmeyster

Генерал-фельдмаршал - General-feldmarshal

In the Leib-Gvardiya (Body-Guards; the Imperial Guard), all ranks are prefaced by "Лейб-гвардии" and the rank of Рядовой (private) is split into two subclasses: рядовой младшего оклада (private of a junior grade) and рядовой старшего оклада (private of a senior grade).

http://army.armor.kiev.ua/titul/rusarm1800-26.shtml
http://army.armor.kiev.ua/titul/rusguard1800-26.shtml

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SvenssonHD said:

It's Överstelöjtnant & Vicekorpral (särskrivning). It's spelled Korpral, not ''Kopral''. It's Fanjunkare.

For Sweden it's rather:

Menig

Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]
Korpral [Corporal]
Sergeant
Fanjunkare
Fältväbel

Fänrik [Infantry Officer, banner carrier. Equivalent Ensign]
Kornett [Cavalry Officer]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Kapten [Captain]
Ryttmästare [Cavalry Captain]
Major
Överstelöjtnant
Överste

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Kator Viridian said:

Btw British Cavlary private was not private ... it was Trooper like I mentioned earlier lol.

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Hekko said:

Shouldn't the entry officer rank for the british cavalry be cornet? Additionally I am fairly certain that a sergeant-major outranks a colour sergeant and I have never heard of the rank colour sergeant-major. I also think that you may have applied the ranks for the household cavalry accross the entire cavalry arm for britain since these are the british cavalry ranks according to my source:
The troop consisted of:
= 1 Captain
= 1-2 Lieutenants
= 1 Cornet
= 1 Sergeant-Major
= 1 Furrier
= 4 Sergeants
= 4 Corporals
= 1 Trumpeter
= 85 Troopers

Furthermore, I believe that the adjudant ranks are used in the modern sense in the list that you have there. Because according to my source the adjudant-chef held the rank of captain, source. When you scroll down to the organizational chart of a french infantry regiment and consult the legend for the [1] next to adjudant-chef and adjudant-major you see that it says that those people were captains.

You also on the company level seem to have overlooked caporal-fourrier and sergent-major for the french.

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