Collection of historical ranks

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Skass

Knight at Arms
The purpose of this thread is to have a list of ranks of the armies in the Napoleonic Wars which are as historically accurate as possible, though im aware of the fact that those will propably never be 100% accurate or complete. Im not going to list any ranks above Colonel as this is just thought for regiments, also the ranks above that are probably known by everyone anyway.
"But this doesn't contain my regiments ranks!" Well, either i have made a mistake then or your regiment isn't using completely accurate ranks. You dont have to use these if you dont like them. This is just to give people an idea how they might structure their ranks or how to improve their ranking system.

Feel free to correct me anytime if you spot a mistake, but only if you have a correction that is provable (a link of a trustable website would allready be enough).


What im currently looking for (coming soon):

- Ranks of any minor nation

Please PM me if you know anything that could be added.
Also feel free to ask any question in this thread.


Please note: I wont put any german minor nations into the list as they are mostly the same as Prussian or Austrian ones.



Major Factions
Britain
Foot
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Ensign
Regimental Seargent Major
Seargent Major
Coulor Seargent
Seargent
Corporal
Private
Skirmishers
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
(Ensign)
Regimental Seargent Major
Seargent Major
Coulor Seargent
Seargent
Corporal
Chosen Man
Private
Cavalry
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Cornett
Corporal of Horse
Corporal
Trooper
Artillery
-

France
Foot
Colonel/Colonel en Premiere [Colonel]
Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel en Seconde [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]
Soldat [Private]
Skirmishers
Colonel/Colonel en Premiere [Colonel]
Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel en Seconde [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]
Soldat [Private]
Cavalry
Colonel/Colonel en Premiere [Colonel]
Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel en Seconde [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef d'Eskadron [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Marechal-des-logis Chef[Seargent Major]
Marechal-des-logis [Seargent]
Brigadier-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Brigadier[Corporal]
Cavalier [Private]
Artillery
]Colonel/Colonel en Premiere [Colonel]
Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel en Seconde [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]
Soldat [Private]
Skirmishers
Colonel/Colonel en Premiere [Colonel]
Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel en Seconde [Lieutenant Colonel]
Chef de Bataillon [Major]
Capitaine [Captain]
Lieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Sous Lieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Sergent-Major [Seargent Major]
Sergent [Seargent]
Caporal-Fourrier [Corporal First Class]
Caporal [Corporal]
Canonnier de première classe
[Private First class]
Canonnier de deuxième classe[Private Second Class]
Prussia
Foot
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann/Capitaine(Kapitän) [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Feldwebel [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Musketier/Füsilier/Grenadier/Gemeiner (Depending on Troopkind)[Private]
Skirmishers
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann/Capitaine [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Feldwebel [Seargent]
Oberjäger [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Jäger [Private]
Cavalry
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich/Kornett [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Reiter [Private]
Artillery
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Feuerwerksmeister [Major]
Feuerwerkshauptmann/Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberfeuerwerksleutnant/Premierlieutenant [First Lieutenant]
Feruerwerksleutnant/Secondelieutenant [Second Lieutenant]
Stückjunker [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Oberfeuerwerker/ [Seargent]
Unteroffizier/Corporal [Corporal]
Bombardier [Lance Corporal]
Kanonier [Private]
Austria
Foot
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann [Captain]
Oberleutnant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Feldwebel/Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Musketier/Füsilier/Grenadier/Gemeiner (Depending on Troopkind)[Private]
Skirmishers
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Hauptmann [Captain]
Oberleutnant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Oberjäger [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal/Zugführer [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Jäger [Private]
Cavalry
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Rittmeister [Captain]
Oberleutnant [First Lieutenant]
Leutnant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich/Kornett [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Feldwebel/Wachtmeister [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal [Corporal]
Gefreiter [Lance Corporal]
Reiter [Private]
Artillery
Oberst [Colonel]
Oberstleutnant[Lieutenant Colonel]
Feuerwerksmeister/Major [Major]
Feuerwerkshauptmann [Captain]
Feurerwerksoberleutnant [First Lieutenant]
Feuerwerksleutnant [Second Lieutenant]
Fähnrich [Ensign/Colourseargent]
Feldwebel/Wachtmeister/Oberfeuerwerker [Seargent]
Corporal/Korporal/Feuerwerker [Corporal]
Bombardier [Lance Corporal]
Kanonier [Private]
Russia
Foot
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Propably Ensign]
Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-прапорщик - Portupey-praporshchik [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]
Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
Additional Information in Bluehawks posts on page 3.
Skirmishers
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Propably Ensign)]
Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-прапорщик - Portupey-praporshchik [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]
Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
Additional Information in Bluehawks posts on page 3.
[td]Cavalry
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Ротмистр - Rotmistr [Captain]
Штаб-ротмистр - Shtab-Rotmistr ["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Корнет - Kornet [Kornett]
Вахмистр - Vakhmistr [Seargent First Class]
Эстандарт-юнкер - Estandart-yunker [Colour Seargent (?)]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]
Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
Additional Information in Bluehawks posts on page 3.
[/td]
[td]Artillery
Полковник - Polkovnik[Colonel]
Подполковник - Podpolkovnik[Lieutenant Colonel]
Майор - Mayor [Major]
Капитан - Kapitan [Captain]
Штабс-капитан - Shtabs-Kapitan["Staffcaptain"]
Поручик - Poruchik [First Lieutenant]
Подпоручик - Podporuchik [Second Lieutenant]
Прапорщик - Praporshchik [Ensign]
Фельдфебель - Feldfebel [Seargent First Class]
Портупей-юнкер - Portupey-yunker [Seargent Second Class]
Подпрапорщик - Podpraporshchik [Seargent Third Class]
Младший унтер-офицер - Mladshiy Unter-ofitser [Corporal]
Рядовой - Ryadovoy [Private]
Additional Information In Bluehawks posts on page 3.[/b
[/td]







Minor Nations
Sweden
Foot
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]
Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
(Rustmästare) [?]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]
Menig[Private]
Skirmishers
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Kaptenlöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]
Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
(Rustmästare) [?]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]
Menig[Private]
Cavalry
Överste [Colonel]
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Ryttmästare [Cavalry Captain]
Ryttmästarelöjtnant [Captain-Lieutenant]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]
Fältväbel[Seargent Major]
Fanjunkare [Colour Seargent]
Sergeant [Seargent]
Korpral [Corporal]
Vicekorpral [Lance Corporal]
Menig[Private]
Artillery
Översten vid artilleriet [Colonel of the Artillery]   
Överstelöjtnant [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Kapten [Captain]
Löjtnant [Lieutenant]
Fänrik [Ensign]
Fältväbel [Sergeant Major]
Styckjunkare [Color Sergeant]
Sergeant [Sergeant]
Konstapel    [Corporal]
Lärkonstapel [Lance Corporal]
Hantlangare [Private]
The Netherlands
Foot
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Onder-Luitenant - Sub Lieutenant
Adjudant - ???
Sergeant-Majoor - Staff Sergeant
Sergeant - Sergeant
Fourrier - Corporal
Korporaal - Lance Corporal
Soldaat/Fusilier/Grenadier - Private
Skirmishers
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Onder-Luitenant - Sub Lieutenant
Adjudant - ???
Sergeant-Majoor - Staff Sergeant
Sergeant - Sergeant
Fourrier - Corporal
Korporaal - Lance Corporal
Jager - Private
Cavalry
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Ritmeester - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Onder-Luitenant - Sub Lieutenant
Adjudant - ???
Opper-Wachtmeester - Staff Sergeant
Wachtmeester - Sergeant
Korporaal - Corporal
Huzaar/Karabinier/Kurrasier/Lancier etc - Private
Artillery
Kolonel - Colonel
Luitenant-Kolonel - Lieutenant Colonel
Majoor - Major
Kapitein - Captain
Adjudant-Majoor - ???
Luitenant - Lieutenant
Onder-Luitenant - Sub Lieutenant
Adjudant - ???
Opper-Wachtmeester - Staff Sergeant
Wachtmeester - Sergeant
Korporaal - Corporal
Kannonier - Private
Portugal
Foot
Coronel [Colonel]
Tenente-Coronel [Lieutenant Colonel]
Major [Major]
Capitão [Captain]
Tenente [Lieutenant]
Alferes [Ensign]
Sargento-mor [Sergeant-Major]
Sargento-Chefe [Chief Sergeant]
Sargento-Ajudante [Staff Sergeant]
Primeiro-Sargento [First Sergeant]
Segundo-Sargento [2nd Sergeant]
Furriel [Quartermaster]
Segundo-Furriel [2nd Quartermaster]
Cabo-ajudante [Staff Corporal]
Primeiro Cabo [1st Corporal]
Segundo Cabo [2nd Corporal]
Soldado/Praça [Private]
Skirmishers
-
Cavalry
-
Artillery
-
 
Herr_Wolff said:
u sure the british skirmishers had Ensigns??? I thought they would have a 2nd Lt instead of

As far as i know they had Ensigns too, but if you can prove me wrong i'll gladly change it :wink:
 
well an Ensign would be kind of useless, cause the troops like the 95th didn't even had colors....
but I ll search for an source
 
Very nice job skass this will be helpful for many new regiments :grin:

catapproved.jpg

Catpproved :grin:
 
sorry, the 95th Rifles atleast had an Ensign - so forget it  :wink: but they also had the 2nd Lt :

Rank and File:

Private (Recruit in training)
Rifleman
Bugler
Chosenman (a distiction as opposed to rank)
Corporal
Corporal Bugler
Serjeant
Serjeant Bugler
Armourer (Sjt, grey uniform, green fleathering)
Quartermaster Sjt ( 4x Stripes plain cloth, mentioned as Staff Serjeant)
Paymaster (same as above)
Bugle Major (4x stripes plain cloth)
Colour Serjeant (1813 onwards)
Company Serjeant Major (4x Stripes silver lace, Company Adjutant)
Battalion Serjeant Major (4x stripes silver lace, Battalion Adjutant)
Regimental Serjeant Major (4x stripes silver lace, Regimental Adjutant)

Officers:

Ensign (Officer in training)
2nd Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel


from http://www.1st95thrifles.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=377
 
Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

nope.avi
 
Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

I know taht they are correct my friend, took me a while to research :razz:
I'm not going to add a Rekrut Rank as its not completely accurate, and i want to keep it clean, tahnks for your suggestion though :wink:
 
Gwyrdh said:
Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

nope.avi

Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later. :wink:

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof, especially the french ranks.
 
From what I know of British Cavlary NCO ranks of the time:

Trooper
Lance Corporal(Although not used at the time I beleive, confirmed by Wiki but looking for other sources "Chosen man was used for a precurser before lance corporal" considering chosen man was used during the napoleonic and there are no other sources of a mention of lance corporal up to the 1900's i'd say Lance Corporal didn't exist then)
Corporal
Corporal of Horse (Sergeant ... From a squaddie source, Sergeant sounds too much like servant ... so being pompus guys it is Corporal of Horse with 3 chevrons)

Then the standard Commisioned officer ranks ensue.
Lieutentant
Captain
Major
Colonel

Adjutant (Adjutant is an adjusting rank so being an Adjutant of a Generals guards can mean you outrank a colonel but Adjutant is usually ranked below Lieuteant but above Ensign, sometimes an Ensign can outrank a Colonel depending on who he is adjutant for).
 
Skass said:
Gwyrdh said:
Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

nope.avi

Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later. :wink:

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

e56330b5a5534c2155ddb89607380f6e.png

Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

EDIT: You're right about Gefreiter I was thinking about Obergefreiter. :razz:
 
Kator Viridian said:
From what I know of British Cavlary NCO ranks of the time:

Trooper
Lance Corporal(Although not used at the time I beleive, confirmed by Wiki but looking for other sources "Chosen man was used for a precurser before lance corporal" considering chosen man was used during the napoleonic and there are no other sources of a mention of lance corporal up to the 1900's i'd say Lance Corporal didn't exist then)
Corporal
Corporal of Horse (Sergeant ... From a squaddie source, Sergeant sounds too much like servant ... so being pompus guys it is Corporal of Horse with 3 chevrons)

Then the standard Commisioned officer ranks ensue.
Lieutentant
Captain
Major
Colonel

Adjutant (Adjutant is an adjusting rank so being an Adjutant of a Generals guards can mean you outrank a colonel but Adjutant is usually ranked below Lieuteant but above Ensign, sometimes an Ensign can outrank a Colonel depending on who he is adjutant for).

Thansk alot, will add them. :wink:

And i believe this "squaddie source" is Emprie Total War?  :lol:
 
Gwyrdh said:
Skass said:
Gwyrdh said:
Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

nope.avi

Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later. :wink:

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

e56330b5a5534c2155ddb89607380f6e.png

Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

I'm German, i know my native language quite well :razz:

Though the Prussians tended to use French Ranks since Frederick the Great and i have no proof that that had completely changed in the Napoleonic Wars (though its imaginable of course).

And Fähnrich was introduced as batallions were introduced, it was a officer rank till 1807, then the highest NCO rank. For instance, german Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_Armee

And please dont use other people in the Forums as Sources, even if they're propably very well informed :wink:
 
Colonel
Major
Chef de bataillon (infantry) Chef d'escadron (cavalry)
Capitaine
Lieutenant
Sous-lieutenant

Adjudant
Sergent-Major (infantry) Maréchal des logis chef (cavalry)
Sergent (infantry) Maréchal des Logis (cavalry)
Caporal-Fourrier (infantry) Brigadier-Fourrier (cavalry)
Caporal (infantry) brigadier (cavalry)
Soldat (infantry) cavalier (cavalry) Canonnier (artillerie)

Forget "colonel en première" "colonel en second" etc...
 
Mad_man1 said:
Colonel
Major
Chef de bataillon (infantry) Chef d'escadron (cavalry)
Capitaine
Lieutenant
Sous-lieutenant

Adjudant-Chef
Adjudant
Sergent-Major (infantry) Maréchal des logis chef (cavalry)
Sergent (infantry) Maréchal des Logis (cavalry)
Caporal-Fourrier (infantry) Brigadier-Fourrier (cavalry)
Caporal (infantry) brigadier (cavalry)
Soldat (infantry) cavalier (cavalry) Canonnier (artillerie)

Thanks, proof?
 
Skass said:
Gwyrdh said:
Skass said:
Gwyrdh said:
Fähnrich wasn't a rank used by the Prussians during the Napoleonic wars. As far as I am aware, and another one that is also used sometimes is Fähnenträger - a designation not a rank. Also, Oberleutnant is Premierleutnant, and Hauptmann is Kapitän, and Leutnant is Leutnant not Secondleutnant. In fact I'll post as many ranks as I know here. Oberleutnant and Hauptmann were Austrian ranks.

Prussia:
Gemeiner
Korporal (Gefreiter was an artillery rank mostly)
Unteroffizier
Feldwebel
Leutnant
Premierleutnant
Kapitän
Major
Oberstleutnant
Oberst

And France:
Soldat/Garde etc.
Caporal
Caporal Fourier
Sergent
Sergent Major
Adjudant
Adjudant Chef
Sous Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Capitaine
Chef de Bataillon (Major)
Colonel en Second
Colonel

I'm pretty sure these are right. I hope, anyway.

Menelaos16 said:
The prussian ranks are correct!  :mrgreen:
If your looking for an entry rank then use "Rekrut" not accurate but adds more enlisted ranks.

nope.avi

Infact Gefreiter was first introduced to the Infantry, the first soldier of every file was supposed to be a Gefreiter. What you mgith eman is Obergefreiter which was mainly used for artillery purposes, but was introduced abotu 50 years later. :wink:

Thansk for your suggestions though, i might change it though if you give me any proof.

For a start Fähnrich wasn't introduced until WW2.

Evidence (from the EPI guys who know their stuff):

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Also, Secondleutnant, Second is not even a word in German, if it was literally translated as 2nd Lieutenant it would be Zweite Leutnant.

I'm German, i know my native language quite well :razz:

Though the Prussians tended to use French Ranks since Frederick the Great and i have no proof that that had completely changed in the Napoleonic Wars (though its imaginable of course).

And Fähnrich was introduced as batallions were introduced, it was a officer rank till 1807, then the highest NCO rank. For instance, german Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_Armee

And please dont use other people in the Forums as Sources, even if they're propably very well informed :wink:

If you read it he clearly states his information is form another reliable source. Just because you speak the language natively doesn't mean you know it's history and ranks perfectly, does it?

I don't know jack **** about artillery or cavalry ranks despite being English. Your point is invalid.
 
Skass said:
Kator Viridian said:
From what I know of British Cavlary NCO ranks of the time:

Trooper
Lance Corporal(Although not used at the time I beleive, confirmed by Wiki but looking for other sources "Chosen man was used for a precurser before lance corporal" considering chosen man was used during the napoleonic and there are no other sources of a mention of lance corporal up to the 1900's i'd say Lance Corporal didn't exist then)
Corporal
Corporal of Horse (Sergeant ... From a squaddie source, Sergeant sounds too much like servant ... so being pompus guys it is Corporal of Horse with 3 chevrons)

Then the standard Commisioned officer ranks ensue.
Lieutentant
Captain
Major
Colonel

Adjutant (Adjutant is an adjusting rank so being an Adjutant of a Generals guards can mean you outrank a colonel but Adjutant is usually ranked below Lieuteant but above Ensign, sometimes an Ensign can outrank a Colonel depending on who he is adjutant for).

Rhansk alot, will add them. :wink:

And i believe this "squaddie source" is Emprie Total War?  :lol:

Wouldn't touch Empire with a barge pole, "Squaddie" is reference to Military personal within the British armed forces used by Military personel/family members of military personel, quite often raises and eyebrow of confusion amungst "Civies" or Civilian personel due to the closed black humour atmosphere reguarded in the British Army :wink:
 
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