New helmets

i have notice in many mods
they do excellent helmets/armor
but the colour plain silver it looks like it (modern factory made)

Absolutely, Aqtai.

I'm also partial to this one:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/KnightDamien/Comparisons/Normans03.jpg

Obviously it's an Osprey plate -- but I forget which piece it's based on (most of their images are based on existing museum pieces). That one would be good for any troops with a more 'Eastern' (Near/Middle, rather than Far) feel.

but the colour plain silver it looks like it (modern factory made)

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Actually the flat silvers are more historically accurate for 'high station' sort of armour. People didn't just stand around and let their equipment rust and get all dingy. They polished it. Most of the vanilla M&B metal looks like it's been sitting at the bottom of a bog for a couple of days.

And what's wrong with the bottom of a bog, eh?

Anyways... armets are kind of interesting, but I'd still like to see a different 'great helm' than what's already in M&B.

I'm also rather partial to barbutes with Ts.

Orion said:

And what's wrong with the bottom of a bog, eh?

Anyways... armets are kind of interesting, but I'd still like to see a different 'great helm' than what's already in M&B.

I'm also rather partial to barbutes with Ts.

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The 14th century great helm is different to the default helm.

I didn't include barbutes becaue the default 'black' helmet looks like a barbute, so this category is already in the game.

yea even if its  historically accurate its makes the armor look crap since the meshes over lap each other and they don't blend in whit others..
But then again marching 24hours non stop tend to draw mud/dust one clothes/ armor.
Is the brons equipment supported by some mods also historically accurate?
Maby if you could list the vanilla M&B metal that dont look realistic also costumes
then i could re texture them

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Damien said:

I voted 'Other.'

What I'd really love to see is an early style, 12th century Great-helm. That would be the type that was largely just a skullcap with a complete faceplate (and a mail coif to avoid the 'M&B humans are bald' problem of helmets that don't cover the back of the head and neck).

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New version of Holy War will have some of those I belive Check the MBX thread..

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Yeah, around 5, a few more if you count colour variations.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/khaya/greathelms.jpg

woot, haven't seen some of them yet Gimme now!

But then again marching 24hours non stop tend to draw mud/dust one clothes/ armor.

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Assuming you don't clean yourself at all, sure.

Yeah, around 5, a few more if you count colour variations.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/khaya/greathelms.jpg

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Those are fantastic, Raz. Can't wait for the .8x-compatible version of Holy War.

I'm adding some more pictures.

First an armet dated 1515 and made for King Henry VIII of England as part of a tilting harness. Despite the late date, the slightly unusual wrapper and the abscence of a rondelle, it is a fairly typical armet, similar to those used the previous century, click on the thumbnail please:


And a picture of a reconstructed English sallet and bevor:
http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/Armour%20Images/ENGLISH/Photo%20Album/images/FITZ%20COMPLETE%2004_jpg.jpg

And some pictures of a reconstruction of a German sallet and bevor:

I'd love to see a well made pigface bascinet in Native, second choice would be a sallet with bevoir. I don't like the armets though, they look too... aerodynamic

what is the purpose whit pigface?
was it made to skull the enemy ore people whit big nose use it
?

RF Nigth said:

what is the purpose whit pigface?
was it made to skull the enemy ore people whit big nose use it
?

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A slanted surface deflects arrows more easily than a perpendicular surface. The same principal was put into use in Russian T-34 tanks in WWII.

More protection. In my opinion, the big extrusion at the mouth/nose can act like a buffer zone if something hits the face, giving you more protection. It looks more evil as well. 

It also gives the protecting equipment a higher effective thinkness.

i voted 14th cent. greathelm, simply because there are more than one style of greathelms, and having just one in the game doesnt cut it for me. there should be some with veils and crests, like in the vanilla expansion for 7.50 or whatever that was for those were tight.

I voted 14th century great helm. To me, it looked easier to breathe in and had better curves than the earlier one.

Raz said:

It also gives the protecting equipment a higher effective thinkness.

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Not to mention it makes headbutting much more lethal. I mean getting a houndskull helmet smashed at your face must be the most awesome way of leaving this mortal coil.

Just another update. At the moment the armet is in the lead, with the houndskull bascinet in 2nd place. The sallet and bevor and "other" are in joint 3rd place. This is slightly odd considering that on the armour poll thread the German Gothic armour is in the lead, and sallets and bevors are the type of helmet usually worn with Gothic armour. Go figure.

Anyway, I was at the Royal Armouries in Leeds last weekend and i took some pictures. The first two are of an armet with a slightly different style of visor, it is opened to show how it was put on:


I think this is a reconstruction of a similar armet:
http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/Armour%20Images/ITALIAN/BLUE%20&%20GOLD%20BEAUCHAMP/Photo%20Album/images/ARMET.jpg




I think this is a reconstruction of the same helmet:
http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/Armour%20Images/ITALIAN/1440%20ARMET/images/1440%20Armet%2002_jpg.jpg
http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/Armour%20Images/ITALIAN/1440%20ARMET/images/DSCF0022_JPG.jpg


I also got a picture of one of my favorite pieces, a painted German "black" sallet:


This is a picture I took at the Royal Armouries a couple of years ago, with a different camera, of a German sallet and bevor with a Gothic breasplate and gauntlets:



Some more pictures, my 9 year old daughter wearing a replica sallet:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys/Royal%20Armouries/RA_150407_006.jpg
(She said the visibility was quite good, although looking down was a bit difficult, the bevor was too big for her!)

Line drawings of sallets and bevors:


Two mid-fifteenth century paintings by different artists I found on t'internet. They both show Federigo di Montefeltro wearing Milanese style armour. In both pictures his armet is by his feet:
http://faculty.etsu.edu/kortumr/HUMT2320/earlyrenaissance/adobejpgimages/03federicolarge.jpg
http://www.wga.hu/art/p/piero/francesc/altar/mntefelt.jpg

no i change my minde but a pigface is realy nice.
but i whant a simple bucket

As un-realistic as it is, I'd like to see one of those giant metal collars that juts up from the armor and covers most of your face except the top of your head.

It's like what the priests of Sigmar have in Warhammer. Yes, I know, I know, it's not fantasy, but it looks good, provides SOME protection, but not much, and is for someone slightly suicidal.

Flame away.