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GABRILDURO said:
Thx for ur nice contribution, but unfortunately none of ur Links work!  :cry:
Gab
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Thx Harly.
...but...nope.
It will not work , still....
Check it up above :cry:
Gab
 
I fixed it; the links now work for me.
I really liked the video! :grin:
monk124us said:
here are some uniforms worn by the mexican republic during the 1800s

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Fuerzas_Armadas_de_M%C3%A9xico_2.jpg
everyday.notisistema.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Batalla.jpg

a part of the republic army were form  of pesants who whore white clothing and a "poncho" a dark brown is an iconic poncho worn by a group that fought and won in the battle of puebla (5 de mayo 1862.)

this is a video of the battle of puebla 5 de mayo 1862 on this video different type of mexican uniforms can be seen. and uniforms used by the french invasion as well.

flag used during the time by republic army
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_Hist%C3%B3rica_de_la_Rep%C3%BAblica_Mexicana_(1824-191:cool:.svg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fwhNvYYIk
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EDIT BY GABBY:
Great Job, Master Moderator!!!
Thx
 
here is another view of officer uniforms worn on by the school of cadets marching band.
i have to add a space on the link in order to post it. I guess i need to make more post before im allowed to share links :razz:
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLa0HkqCbyc
 
Jojo le Gouffy said:
hi everyboby
several things maybe usefull (i hope so)
it's about french generals in mexican expédition.
The commander in chief was at first
_ Lorencez march 1862/ september 1862 leave the contry because he didn't want to serve under (euh sous les ordres de) Forey then...
_ Forey (Elie Frédéric) september 1862 / september 1863  become Maréchal on juillet 1863 (and recall to Paris ) then...
_ Bazaine (François Achille) september 1863/ after may 1865 ( i have'nt found yet the date) become Maréchal and sénateur on 5 september 1864

other things

the french contra-guerilla was leading by Colonel Du Pin.
Capitaine Danjou was leading the foreign Legion at Camaron (and was killed)
Lieutenant-Colonel Van der Smissen was leading the belgian Legion. Maximilien's wife was Belgian

Source La guerre du Mexique  Alain Gouttman Perrin  2008
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Radetzky said:
-2nd Mexican Empire
-United Mexican states
Mexico
Leader:
-Benito Juárez
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Benito_Juarez_Presidente.jpg

Generals:
1-Ignacio Zaragoza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Ignacio_Zaragoza.jpg

2-Porfirio Díaz
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Young_Porfirio_Diaz.jpg

3-Mariano Escobedo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Mariano_Escobedo.jpg

4-José María Yáñez
http://www.buscate.com.mx/educativo/biografias/yanez_jose_maria.jpg

5-Manuel Doblado
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Manuel_Doblado.jpg

6-Juan N. Méndez
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Juan_N_Mendez.jpg

7-Juan Cortina
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Juan_Nepomuceno_Cortina.jpg

8-Antonio Rosales
http://redescolar.ilce.edu.mx/redescolar/efemerides/julio/foto_rosales01.jpg

9-Gaspar Sanchez Ochoa

10-Plácido Vega Daza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Placido_Vega.jpg

11-Ramon Corona
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Ramon_Corona.jpg

12-Jerónimo Treviño
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Geronimo_Trevi%C3%B1o.jpg

13-Ignacio Comonfort
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Ignacio_Comonfort.PNG

14-Andrés Sánchez Magallanes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Andr%C3%A9s_S%C3%A1nchez_Magallanes.jpg

15-Francisco de Paula Milán

16-Nicolás Régules
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Nicolas_de_Regules.jpg

17-Jesús González Ortega
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Jesus_Gonzalez_Ortega.jpg

18-Ángel Albino Corzo

19-Julio García

20-Gregorio Méndez Magaña
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Estatua_del_Coronel_Gregorio_M%C3%A9ndez_Maga%C3%B1a.jpg

Second Mexican Empire:

Leader:
-Maximilian I of Mexico (Austrian/Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Emperor_maximilian_of_mexico.jpg


Generals:
1-Charles de Lorencez (French)

2-François Achille Bazaine (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Bazaine.jpeg

3-Elie Frédéric Forey (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/%C3%89lie_Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Forey.jpg

4-Miguel Miramón (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Miramon_1860s.png

5-Tomás Mejía (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/General_tomas_mejia.jpg

6-Alfred Van der Smissen (Belgian)
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/mexican/Vandersmissen1.jpg

7-Juan Nepomuceno Almonte (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Juan_Nepomuceno_Almonte.jpg

8-Franz Graf Thun-Hohenstein (Austrian)
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/mexican/thun2.jpg

9-Leonardo Márquez (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Leonardo_marquez.png

10-Jean-Baptiste Billot (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jean-Baptiste_Billot.jpg

11-Félix Charles Douay (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/F%C3%A9lix_Charles_Douay.jpg

12-Charles de Lorencez (French)

13-Manuel Lozada (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Manuel_Lozada.jpg

14-Alfredo Berthelin (French)

15-Oswald Bénigne de Montarby (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Montarby.jpg

16-Paul Bernnart (Austrian)
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/mexican/bernnart.jpg

17-Edmond Jurien de La Gravière (French)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Edmond_Jurien_de_La_Gravi%C3%A8re.jpg

18-Felipe N. Chacón (Mexican)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Felipe_n._chacon.jpg

19-Ferdinand von Rosenzweig (Austrian)

20-Anton Weinhara (Austrian)
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/mexican/weinhara.jpg

The nationalities of generals as listed: 6 Mexican, 9 French, 4 Austrian and 1 Belgian.
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Radetzky said:
-2nd Mexican Empire
-United Mexican states
Mexico
Leader:
-Benito Juárez
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Benito_Juarez_Presidente.jpg

Generals:
1-Ignacio Zaragoza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Ignacio_Zaragoza.jpg

2-Porfirio Díaz
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Young_Porfirio_Diaz.jpg

3-Mariano Escobedo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Mariano_Escobedo.jpg

4-José María Yáñez
http://www.buscate.com.mx/educativo/biografias/yanez_jose_maria.jpg

5-Manuel Doblado
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Manuel_Doblado.jpg

6-Juan N. Méndez
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Juan_N_Mendez.jpg

7-Juan Cortina
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Juan_Nepomuceno_Cortina.jpg

8-Antonio Rosales
http://redescolar.ilce.edu.mx/redescolar/efemerides/julio/foto_rosales01.jpg

9-Gaspar Sanchez Ochoa

10-Plácido Vega Daza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Placido_Vega.jpg

11-Ramon Corona
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Ramon_Corona.jpg

12-Jerónimo Treviño
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Geronimo_Trevi%C3%B1o.jpg

13-Ignacio Comonfort
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Ignacio_Comonfort.PNG

14-Andrés Sánchez Magallanes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Andr%C3%A9s_S%C3%A1nchez_Magallanes.jpg

15-Francisco de Paula Milán

16-Nicolás Régules
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Nicolas_de_Regules.jpg

17-Jesús González Ortega
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Jesus_Gonzalez_Ortega.jpg

18-Ángel Albino Corzo

19-Julio García

20-Gregorio Méndez Magaña
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Estatua_del_Coronel_Gregorio_M%C3%A9ndez_Maga%C3%B1a.jpg
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General Miguel Negrete, a conservative, was Zaragosas second in command. Zaragosa who died in September 8 1862 of typhoid fever. After Zaragosas death, Miguel negrete was placed in charge of the Army General of the East and charged with the defense of puebla a long with jesus gonzalez ortega, (1863) When the french finally broke the defenses of puebla he was captured along with Jesús González Ortega, Felipe Berriozábal y Porfirio Díaz and where being transported to Veracruz and be sent to France but managed to escape. After Escaping, Miguel Negrete was named by Juarez Minister of war(1864-1865). His most famous verse is "Patria Antes que partido" which means "Country Before Party"

Porfirio Diaz Was name Minister of the Interior and was charged with 30,000 men and moved south to Oaxaca, during all of 1864 he fortified and defended Oaxaca from the french adopting a guerrilla style fighting to defend the region and was successful for the french or the conservative army could take control. 
 
hi everybody
some more stuff about french contra-guerilla.
the leader was
_ Du Pin (or Dupin) (Charles- Louis) février 1863- mach 1865 ...Colonel then
_ Ney (Michel-Aloys) few time. He was Capitaine-Commandant then...
_ Galliffet (Gaston) marquis de .  until janvier 1867,  become Lieutenant -Colonel on 17 june 1865

source fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Louis_Du_Pin
     
there is an OB off the french forces on fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expédition_du_Mexique (this link is not active). I don't know if it can be usefull but it's in french.
Jojo le Gouffy said:
Hi everybody.
so....
_ L'Hériller (Edmond Aimable) (1816-1896) Colonel commanded the french troops at the de Cerro del Borrego battle on 14 june 1862.
It's him that sent...
- Detrie (Paul Alexandre) ( 1828-1899) Capitaine against the mexicans  (leading by Jesus Gonzalez Ortega)
So L'Hériller didn't fight himself.
Detrie became a hero. His troops were 150 and the Mexicans 2000 but he winned
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Rolf11 said:
PICKETTS CHARGE at Gettysburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3po17QbHLRQ
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I loved this video that recreates the battle of Gettysburg, but particularly, me and my son were touched by the humanity of those "brothers" officers, fighting on both sides, but still feeling bad for having so many "Americans" killed and injured....
The long, affectionate hug in the final scene is.....really more than words.... :cry:
Thx for sharing
Gab
PS....uupppss...I copied a wrong Link... :oops:
It was about Battle of Little Round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8T5iW5FPw
OK fixed now  :wink:
Rolf11 said:
My pleasure Gab!
But I am with the Confederation and that's not the Pickett's Charge!! :mrgreen:
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From the movie "Gods and Generals". I love it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsW5GHRR02k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNWtDRrHrQ

Pay attention to these words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkT9lJfBfho

 
Once again thx to Rolf here, and to all those that contributed at least posting some historical issues that were in 1860s Mod or at least of the time period!  :wink:

Another VERY interesting issue is the Innocent Gang of Bannack, Montana

Go here and learn about them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocents_(gang)
Gab
 
Hello i tried this mod, and i must say it is a fantastic experience, ok it seems not finish but it is so much fun. I will not speak too much about other thing than history. I'm french an so i noticed the french uniforms in the game which are not that bad for a start, but legionnaires are looking like zouaves with Kepis, this is true that grenadiers pants of legionnaire can look like zouaves pants, but there was too legionnaires with normal white pants and mounted legionnaire etc... so i made you a little "diorama" of French Legion uniforms in Mexico: http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=119274Legionaumexique.jpg the good news it that you can make this uniforms quite easy with all the ones you already got !

Also there was french line infantry, and marine infantry and some others cavalry, i'll make others diorama for each ^^
 
I don't know if anybody has said anything before, but I'm very disappointed in the Mexico faction and it's lack of historical accuracy. The Mod is supposed to be set during the American Civil War. Yet, the regions in Mexico are completely out of funk regarding Republican forces under Benito Juarez, truth is, that even after the end of the American Civil War, The French Intervention in Mexico was still raging on until it ends June 1867.

I personally think that Mexican forces are done no respect. Officer uniforms are out of whack, and completely lack any variation from the officers (who hand splendorous uniforms) and those of the common foot soldiers. Yet, the French (who don't even belong in the continent to begin with) are given more emphasis regarding uniforms and equipment.  I think that the lands of Mexico should be divided to reflect the Taking of Mexico City in 1863 by French  troops, and the country should be divided between Imperials and Republicans.

Also, Imperials in Mexico also had some legit uniforms, I think they should also be included. The map is also way too spaced out, leaving too much space in between castles, towns, and villages.
 
The French uniforms are easier to research, as we have very little about Juarez' army in English. The uniforms in the mod seem to be based on a fairly old Osprey book about the conflict. The uniforms of the Juaristas seemed quite soberly depicted there.

Getting variation of uniforms and equipment is quite hard to achieve as mod if you have little resources for the Mexicans to begin with. Gabby did what he could with what he had.

AFAIK at some point the bulk of the Imperialist forces in Mexico were made up of French so it makes sense to reflect that in their party compositions I think.
 
Captured Joe said:
The French uniforms are easier to research, as we have very little about Juarez' army in English. The uniforms in the mod seem to be based on a fairly old Osprey book about the conflict. The uniforms of the Juaristas seemed quite soberly depicted there.

Getting variation of uniforms and equipment is quite hard to achieve as mod if you have little resources for the Mexicans to begin with. Gabby did what he could with what he had.

AFAIK at some point the bulk of the Imperialist forces in Mexico were made up of French so it makes sense to reflect that in their party compositions I think.
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I have some pictures from the Mexican Empire and the Republican forces I could share, I just don't remember how to add them to forum (its been awhile).  Anyhow, the black and white uniforms are actually (I think) supposed to be blue and red trimmed. If you've ever been to Mexico, you realize that black is not a color you'd want to wear during long marches.

 
You know, even in the loading screens the uniforms look black.. I figured it was an artistic oversight.

I meant, black with red trimmings.
 
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