1860s - Historical Topic

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2ndGrds_Ghost

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This will be the thread where all  HISTORICAL suggestions, research and discussion goes on.


*Note* This is not meant to be the same thing as the suggestion topic, if you have a suggestion for improving the gameplay itself and not its historical authenticity take it to the suggestions thread. That being said arguments are to be kept civil with clear reasons. :smile:
 
Here's a tiny idea in regards to recruiting troops:
If you could recruit from all towns and cities belonging to your own faction (or neutral ones) and get units called something like "Northern/Southern Recruit" from doing so, wouldn't that be better than just recruiting regular soldiers fully uniformed and ready for battle?

The recruits could just be ordinary men in regular period clothing with whatever firearm they brought with them from home. You know, to show how there were rarely enough uniforms and weapons to outfit every new recruit as the armies of both the south and the north grew rapidly (and the cotton and wool used to make clothes became more expensive). These men would be expected to fight in their regular clothes until after the first promotion (to private), where they would then be wearing the appropriate uniform along with an army-issue rifle.

That way, the upgrade tree might look sort of like:
Recruit > CSA/Union Private
That would seem like a pretty natural evolvement from civilian to soldier, wouldn't it? (And if the private had slightly increased stats from the civilian, due to training, it would also make them a little less cannon fodder).
 
Back on track guys, Ghost and Trinity, I'd like you both to show off the histoical research you both do here with bags of quality screens, for example Ghost sent me some Irish brigade kepis to look at, lets see stuff like that here. Here's a starter for you, this is the coat of a CSA staff officer. Which we'll actually see in game.



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SUPERB CONFEDERATE LIEUTENANT COLONEL OF STAFF OFFICER'S REGULATION FROCK COAT AND SASH. Cadet gray wool with 1 ¾" high buf wool faced stand up collar. Two 1 ½" five pointed star affixed on each side of the collar. Significantly the attachment wires of the stars are not visible on the inside of the collar and they were clearly attached before the buff facing was stitched in place. The sleeves exhibit outstanding period sleeve cut, measuring 9 ½" at the elbows and 5" at the split cuffs. 3 strips of ¼" bullion tape quatrefoil, per regulation, on each sleeve. Seven button double breasted front with Yankee staff buttons. Seven of the buttons have the "Extra Quality" backmark, six are "Waterbury Button Co. Extra" and one "Steele & Johnson". The buttons all appear to be original to the coat. Interestingly there is evidence on the right breast, 2" to the side of the existing row of buttons where another row of buttons was once affixed, the owner apparently losing girth during his period of service. The striking brown, red, white and blue plaid lining is draped throughout, no quilting. The sleeve linings are white cotton. And there is a small, 2 ½", pocket in the left breast edged with white cotton. The red silk sash is 2 ½" wide and is rather unusual, although typically Confederate, having 2 ½" flat woven caps on the 8 1/2" tassels. The sash has always been with this coat. A handsome and rare regulation Confederate frock coat worn by a high ranking staff officer.
 
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That is the kepi of the "35th Indiana Volunteer Infantry Regiment". They were also known as the "1st Irish." They started out with all green uniforms but then switched over to the regular blue of the Union army. They were allowed to keep their distinctive green kepi with the shamrock wreath though.
 
UNIFORM AND CLOTHING


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Confederate Kepi with a straight top. No rank insignia attached (left)
Confederate Kepi, identified as a Captain's Kepi due to the red stripes (right)

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Confederate Officer's Frock Coat (left)
Confederate Officer's Sash - Gold, woven silk (right)

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Confederate Infantry Boots - Black (left)
Union/Confederate Shoes (right)
 
WEAPONRY

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Kentucky Rifle (top), often used by Confederate Sharpshooters
Pattern 1853 Enfield (bottom), standard rifle-musket for Confederate Infantry

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Burnside Carbine (left), used by both Confederate and Union cavalry
M1819 Hall Rifle (right), rarely used by Confederate infantry in the Civil War

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Colt Dragoon Revolver (left), used by both Union/Confederate cavalry
Remington Model 1858 Revolver (right), used primarily by Union cavalry

More to come.

 
2ndGrds_Ghost said:
Keep them here.  :grin:

Also, a little treat for poomtang,

A  Zouave uniform.

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New York Zouaves FTW.

That might be what ill try to model first :smile:
 
Radetzky, about the 79th new york:
They were an all-scottish regiment who left new york in kilts and behind the pipes. Those kilts, sadly, only lasted until washington, were they were put into storage.
After that, they wore the tartaned trousers

And that officer(NICE picture) is indeed a lieutenant
 
Don't think so. Most militia regiments fought in fatigue uniforms during the war. At the beginning, like 1st Mannasas, its possible

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I know quite something about the ACW (Not bad for a 14-year old Dutchie eh :grin:)
 
MORE WEAPONRY

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Lefaucheux M1858 Revolver (left), French weapon of which was pioneered in the Civil War by Confederate cavalry
Colt Army Model 1860 (right), commonly seen in use by Union cavalry

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Springfield Model 1861 w/ Bayonet (left), standard weapon issued to Union infantry
2-band Enfield Musketoon (right), features a shortened barrel and allows for accurate shooting on horseback at close range

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Henry Rifle (lever-action) (top), capable of firing multiple shots with the simple pull of a lever - very accurate at distances (not meant for cavalry). Used by the Union.
Sharps Rifle (bottom), standard weapon issued to Union sharpshooters (Berdan's Sharpshooters, etc.).

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Spencer Repeating Rifle (top), often used by Union cavalry.
Colt Revolving Rifle (bottom), used occasionally by Union infantry (21st Ohio Volunteer Infantry Regiment).

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Austrian-Lorenz Rifle (top), used at the beginning of the Civil War by both Union and Confederate infantry (muzzle-loader).
Fayetteville Rifle (bottom), one of the only weapons to be manufactured in Confederate territory. Used only by Confederate infantry (muzzle-loader).
 
I'v read about those austrian guns. They were highly unpopular. I have no idea why actually.


Are you sure that lefauxeux revolver is historical correct? It looks very modern
 
Vicccard said:
I'v read about those austrian guns. They were highly unpopular. I have no idea why actually.


Are you sure that lefauxeux revolver is historical correct? It looks very modern
No. Actually, they were common towards the beginning of the war. It was a decent and sturdy weapon. Later, as the Lorenz's manufacturing company was sold to another, the Lorenz rifles purchased later in the war were deemed feeble and unreliable, which is why it was replaced entirely by the Enfield, etc.

And yes, that revolver is historically accurate. The only issue is the handle. The grip's been modified with a modern-like pattern. The original grip would've been made of plain rosewood.
 
Vicccard said:
Radetzky said:
Rush's lancers
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Also I found great page here, many drawings of great quality
http://www.fireandfury.co.uk/gallery.htm

The yankees had lancers? NICE  :grin:

Oh god...I was waiting for someone to find Rush's lancers......*prepares for the storm*  :wink:
 
In the beginning of the war, the Confederates had grey uniforms but then switched to more light brown ones because they ran out of grey dye.

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Like from this

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to this. I suggest you have both available.

Both sides also had uniforms for more colder seasons like this one.

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REGIMENTAL BANNERS

Confederate Regimental Banners:

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1st Mississippi Cavalry Regiment (left)
4th Missouri Infantry (right)

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5th Kentucky Volunteer Infantry (left)
34th North Carolina Infantry (right) - They stated their goal was independence in their own flag, keying that their regiment was established the day the Declaration of Independence was signed (May 20th, 1775).

More to come...
 
TrinityArse said:
REGIMENTAL BANNERS

Confederate Regimental Banners:

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1st Mississippi Cavalry Regiment (left)
4th Missouri Infantry (right)

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5th Kentucky Volunteer Infantry (left)
34th North Carolina Infantry (right) - They stated their goal was independence in their own flag, keying that their regiment was established the day the Declaration of Independence was signed (May 20th, 1775).

More to come...

I think my Great Great Grandfather was in the 34th North Carolina Infantry. Or something close to that. If it was this regiment though, it fought in Gettysburg, Bull Run, and several important (or just famous) battles throughout the Civil War.
 
Radetzky said:
It would be cool to have zouaves in future versions, probably as high tier troops.
Wheat's Tigers (CSA)
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11th N.Y. Regt (USA)
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Also, sharpshooters and their rifles. Whitworth rifle for example for CSA. It would be extremly accurate, but very slow to reload.
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And Morgan-James Rifle, afaik for both sides.
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EDIT: hmm well not sure if I should keep the rifles here or move them to suggestion topic?

The Union used a Sharps Rifles which is a breach loader so that would reload quite fast. Im not sure what the Confed's used though.
 
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