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nemchenk

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[Code] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« on: May 14, 2011, 01:05:21 AM »
Every faction's troops in Warband 1.134 mostly have generic European faces. This is particularly noticeable for Sarranid troops, who have "swadian" faces and look more like Vikings than Moors! This mini-mod changes the face parameters for the factions, to make the troops of each distinctive and instantly-recogniseable. It also canges the "Desert Bandits" to have Sarranid faces instead of Khergit ones.

Latest: v1.0

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- Feel free to use this mod, but don't forget to give credit when you do.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2011, 09:53:59 PM by nemchenk »

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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 01:19:34 AM »
Neat idea. I'd recommend using some of the face packs to enrich the variety.


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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 01:14:57 AM »
Very nice job - the sort of attention to detail that the developers should have done in the first place. You could also add sarranid_townsman and the _multiplayer_ai troops to the list for changing to the sarranid face keys, and also maybe the second face key for the sarranid lords - though I'm not sure that would look right, without changing their unique first face keys. Not too sure how the sarranid ladies would look with black lords, either.

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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 06:42:44 PM »
This is awesome. Definitely just the thing M&B needs.


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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 06:47:10 PM »
Hmm, excellent. Good job.
Honestly though, I don't think volunteering to fight in a war should be a merit in today's society.  :?
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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 07:04:14 PM »
Overall this looks like quite an improvement, but I have a number of nitpicks to make. IMO there does not look to be enough variation in the faction troops, I think, especially the moors. The moor faces look almost 100% black, whereas they should reflect the diversity that the north african armies would have actually fielded.  North Africa has a very diverse variety of different looking people, ranging from black colored skin to a tan Mediterranean look, to even a few light skinned blonde people. Black skinned troops should definitely be less common than in the screenshots; it's almost as if the troops there came straight out of Sub-Saharan Africa rather than the Maghreb. As far as the Vaegirs/Rhodoks/Swadians go, I don't see a single blonde person in there. It's true that blond people are less common outside of Northern Europe, but they should still be a fairly regular sight.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2011, 07:12:52 PM by Shik »

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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 07:23:24 PM »
In my opinion it's less about looking historically accurate and more about being able to distinguish between factions just by looking at the faces. But that's just me.


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Re: [WB] Ethnic troops mini-mod
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 09:43:25 PM »
Thanks for your support, everyone :) Glad to hear people like this mini-mod. Have a look at my other mini-mod as well, if you haven't already ;)

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@Vornne -- I'll have a look. I'm currently making a couple more mini-mods for Native, more like bug-fixes, but I'll take a look at the Lords and Ladies, and the multi-player, next.

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@Sahran -- for now, I wanted to keep this as a sort of bug-fix to Native, so that super-mod makers can best benefit from it. But yes -- I'll take a look at the extra facepacks.

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@Shik -- you are correct on both points of course, but I'm working within the limitations of Native here ;) For example, the way the blond-red-brown hair colour "continium" is set up, it's actually quite difficult to configure things so that some Vaegirs have blond hair. What ends up happening is that there are far too many red-haired Vaegirs then, and far too few with "russuye" hair -- i.e. light brown / dark blond. And then they start to look just like the Nords, but with bushier beards  :P

The same with the Sarranids -- I've specifically gone for quite (stereotipycal?) Sub-Saharan African features (broad noses, wide faces, strong jawlines), and it would be rather tricky to mix that with a more Arabic or North African face/skin. When I initialy tried it, what semeed to happen was a weird "black people with white skin"-effect, or the reverse -- think Michael Jackson ;)

Ruthven has nailed my aim -- to make each faction recogniseable at a glance. The downside is that they do indeed look a little stereotypical. But the flip-side is sort of what Native has -- every faction looks pretty much the same, and the flavour of each faction is lost.

(There's an interesting side-issue here, in that the game seems to sometimes ignore the face parameters and generates "default" faces anyway -- even with the new Sarranid skins, you still sometimes get white, even blonde, Sarranid Recruits :oops: Does anyone have any idea why this happens..?)
« Last Edit: May 15, 2011, 11:33:50 PM by nemchenk »

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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 10:03:35 PM »
This is one nice mod.:)

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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 12:49:36 AM »
Nice and simple. A useful contribution. Cheers!



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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 03:29:26 AM »
This is certainly an interesting mini-mod. Sadly, there's some bug with random face codes in the latest version, so they apply to all the units in a battle instead of just the one's they are supposed to, or something like that.

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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 09:37:16 PM »
Caba`Drin has already said it: nice and simple. Wonderfull work done here. I did something similar for my mod pack a while ago: if interested, I can post - or pm you - the faces I made.


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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 11:52:26 PM »
Nice, i like the vaegirs especially! i would like to be in a charge in first person facing these scary looking mofos  :lol:

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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 10:55:22 PM »
Thanks guys :)

 Sef OK b   -- I too like the Vaegirs a lot, but also the new Sarranid faces. In general, I went for stronger jawlines for all the races -- Native tends to generate rather "genteel" chins, I find  :lol:

Caba`drin, monnikje -- I was impressed with the Floris mod-pack, and was hoping to make these mini-mods useful to mod-compilers and mod-makers like yourselves. Hopefully, they will be ;)

monnikje -- sure, PM me the faces. It would be interesting to see the approached you took.

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Re: [WB] "Ethnic Troops" mini-mod
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 02:42:04 PM »
Great Mini-Mod!  Took this one step further however.  Also changed the townsman(men) to show for the Khergits and Sarranids.  Now just need a way to change the womenfolk so it doesn't look like something out of a bad porn movie :)  Still very excited!  Also applied this to M&B 1.011 leaving off the Sarranid entries of course!