Evolution or Creation?

[Merentha]

Heh.  Well, I'm glad the logic God gave me is responsible for my utter damnation.

True, Christianity has suffered it share of corruption over the years.  That is what the Catholics are.  Corrupted.  Anyway, I come from a background that takes the Bible at literal interpretation.  Not super-literal, but it is literal just the same.

Kindly define the difference between literal and super-literal.

Another question, of a completely different nature: do you suffer witches to live?  I seem to recall a certain statement in the Bible that says you shouldn't, one which was never repudiated by Jesus.

As for the prophecies, they did not come true in the same book in which they were written.  READ!!!  I read your wiki articles, why can't you get your hands on a Bible?

  Oh, I've read the Bible, twice.  By book, I meant the entire Bible.  Now, could you tell me what prophecies that were predicted in the Bible have been reported true by sources other than the Bible?  Please know that the veractiy of the prophecy must be fairly obvious, preferably one that doesn't require convoluted logic twists to see.

By the way...while I was typing this, 7 new replies where posted.  Wow.

I also object to you claiming that I am slinging mud at you.  I don't recall doing so, but very well.  Now, you say that politely informing me that I am going to hell doesn't count as an insult.  I sort of disagree.  First, it implies that I am worse than you, something worthy of either pity or contempt.  I object to both.  Fortunately for you, I've learned to stop caring about threats of damnation.

[Jaghatai Khan]

Even if God exists,if he's putting such morons in heaven,I'm not bowing to him and prefer damnation in Hell.

Look who's been slinging the mud around here.  Why is it splattered on the wall behind the Creationists?  Because the evolutionists threw it.  I haven't insulted you in any way.  I have stated my beliefs, including the fact that you will be going to hell if you do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation, and I have played clean.

[General_Specific]

The appendix ahs a function.  If it did not, most people probably would have had theirs taken out by now.  Let me ask you this.  If the appendix does not perform a function, how can it go wrong and burst?  Man, Big Ben Roethlisberger would have loved it if the appendix didn't have a function.  Then he might have been able to play the opener, and he might be playing better now.

Anyway, I digress.  Th e appendix does have a function.

Try this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendix  Bottom, it says, a part of the human digestive system of disputed function.  Not of no function. 

[jamoecw]

can't seem to find much on the internet at the moment on aquatic jet propulsion creatures (large ones any way), however i do know that a manta ray fits all that i said, although i know there are better ones, maybe in a day or so i'll have time to look outside the internet.

I, for one, read all DaLagga's posts. I am still pretty sure he's absolutely wrong.

You don't see how we can deny the presence of an intelligent Creator? Try looking at it from our point of view. The Universe was created in six days by something that is everywhere at once, can do everything and knows everything, and has always existed and always will, long after the Universe had vanished and long before it began. While to you that might seem all well and good because of your upbringing, yo us it is patently ridiculous. Or at least, it is to me. There might be a God. We can't prove it either way. But the fact that we can't prove it either way is not for me a good reason to believe it.

Kissaki, thank God you're wrong. I checked Who's Online and we're safe from a deluge of smug dismissal of science from that direction for now.

[Kissaki]

General_Specific, I wish you could specify to whom you direct your replies. Your post here is a bit on the incoherent side.

True, Christianity has suffered it share of corruption over the years.  That is what the Catholics are.  Corrupted.  Anyway, I come from a background that takes the Bible at literal interpretation.  Not super-literal, but it is literal just the same.

Literal is literal. If it's anything less than absolutely literal, it's not literal. Regardless, you could still be wrong, you know.

I'm sorry to hear it.  Not that it was at any rate unexpected.

Sorry about what? What was expected?

Old book of providence...  Ha!  I really can't see how you can deny the presence of an intelligent Creator.  You've obviously never been to the country.

Never been to the country? How on earth is that relevant? If you must know, I'm from the country myself. Born and raised.

God has existed for eternity.  Human perceptions cannot comprehend eternity.  Try it.  When I try to think of eternity, I get a quick pain in the back of my brain, and my thoughts jump tracks.

Exactly, and so you have invented God, so that you won't have any headaches. Because God, for some reason, is something you don't have to explain. I put it to you this way, though: if you don't have to explain God, then we don't have to explain a godless universe. Why can't the universe be timeless without God?

As for DaLagga, read his posts instead of skimming the points you WANT to read.  Unbiased my...

DaLagga's posts were addressed in considerable detail. And you are the very LAST person to accuse anyone of being biased.

[Archonsod]

I have stated my beliefs, including the fact that you will be going to hell if you do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation

Many people would take offence at that claim, including but not limited to athiests, buddhists, jews, muslims and hindus.

Yes, God is independent of the universe.  He created it.

Therefore he does not exist.

 The Universe is defined as everything which exists and everything which may possibly exist. It's something of a closed system (anything which can affect the universe by it's nature must be within the universe). It also operates to certain 'laws', in the sense that particular events or attributes may be predicted with a given value of accuracy.
 Now if God exists outside of the Universe, for all our intents and purposes he does not exist. Even if there is a being called God, his existence is moot to us - he has no way of affecting the universe, and we have no way of affecting him outside the universe. Ergo God exists within the universe (which would rule out him actually creating it) and is valid, or else he exists outside the universe and is therefore an invalid concept.

EDIT - Unless Jonah was a midget, there's no way he's going to fit in the mouth of a manta ray

[Merentha]

I have stated my beliefs, including the fact that you will be going to hell if you do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation

Many people would take offence at that claim, including but not limited to athiests, buddhists, jews, muslims and hindus.

Throw in every other religion besides his particular branch of Christianity and you get the picture.

Yes, God is independent of the universe.  He created it.

Therefore he does not exist.

 The Universe is defined as everything which exists and everything which may possibly exist. It's something of a closed system (anything which can affect the universe by it's nature must be within the universe). It also operates to certain 'laws', in the sense that particular events or attributes may be predicted with a given value of accuracy.
 Now if God exists outside of the Universe, for all our intents and purposes he does not exist. Even if there is a being called God, his existence is moot to us - he has no way of affecting the universe, and we have no way of affecting him outside the universe. Ergo God exists within the universe (which would rule out him actually creating it) and is valid, or else he exists outside the universe and is therefore an invalid concept.

Archonsod, we've already been told that we're going to hell if we use logic. 

[Leprechaun]

The appendix ahs a function.  If it did not, most people probably would have had theirs taken out by now.  Let me ask you this.  If the appendix does not perform a function, how can it go wrong and burst?  Man, Big Ben Roethlisberger would have loved it if the appendix didn't have a function.  Then he might have been able to play the opener, and he might be playing better now.

Anyway, I digress.  Th e appendix does have a function.

Try this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendix  Bottom, it says, a part of the human digestive system of disputed function.  Not of no function. 

The same way that a bullet wound can go wrong and burst if it turns septic. I have had appendicitis, have had my appendix removed, and have suffered no ill effects from it whatsoever. Therefore, its function in me must be redundant. Unless you have an illness, your intestines don't become inflamed and burst. Your intestines definitely have a function. My appendicitis was caused by an apple pip falling into my appendix, inflaming the lining. Yeah, because that happens to functional parts of the body. If an apple pip got sucked into my lung, I'd cough it up (I know this - it's happened to me before). But my appendix, despite the fact that foreign bodies in it cause problems, has no mechanism for ridding itself of said mechanisms. Conclusion? It's redundant, and because it's not used doesn't have the functions of an organ.

[General_Specific]

I know I'm not wrong, because I know that God exists and that the Bible is his word.  Sure, you can say, "There's no proof," and you can try to shove your so called "Scientific explanations," at me, but I know I'm right.  Once a person has truly accepted the Lord as their savior, you can feel his presence.  Some may deny it, but I know it's true from personal experience.  I am tired of being laughed at, true enough, but I'll do it all my life rather than change my views and burn in hell.  I can be just as stubborn as you are, and I'll never change my views.  Keep trying to put me down.  You might actually lower me a few centimeters.

Logic is a point of view.  Your logic is polluted, and as such will be your destruction.

The laws of physics don't apply to God.  What part of omnipotence do you not get?

[Leprechaun]

The whole thing. You can argue with us until you're blue in the avatar, but we won't believe you, just as you won't believe us.

[Merentha]

Conclusion? It's redundant, and because it's not used doesn't have the functions of an organ.

Well, this isn't necessarily true, just that you have no function of getting rid of foreign objects.  A mechanism for such does not imply that it has a function.

If it did not, most people probably would have had theirs taken out by now.

Well, there are several reasons people keep their appendices.  First, it takes time and money to get it removed.  Second, there is the possibility of complications in surgery.  Third, why take it out if it is not necessary to do so?

Man, Big Ben Roethlisberger would have loved it if the appendix didn't have a function.  Then he might have been able to play the opener, and he might be playing better now.

Because something can poison you means it has a function?  Care to explain this to me?

[Merentha]

Keep trying to put me down.  You might actually lower me a few centimeters.

Logic is a point of view.  Your logic is polluted, and as such will be your destruction.

Keep trying to cast me down based on your ancient and outdated faith, and we have a deal.

[Kissaki]

The appendix ahs a function.  If it did not, most people probably would have had theirs taken out by now.  Let me ask you this.  If the appendix does not perform a function, how can it go wrong and burst?  Man, Big Ben Roethlisberger would have loved it if the appendix didn't have a function.  Then he might have been able to play the opener, and he might be playing better now.

Anyway, I digress.  Th e appendix does have a function.

Try this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendix  Bottom, it says, a part of the human digestive system of disputed function.  Not of no function. 

Appendicitis is not when the appendix "goes wrong". It's when it gets inflamed from intestinal content seeping into it (which isn't supposed to happen). When it says "disputed function", it means quite simply that we have not yet found out what good it is to us. Some say it's a remnant from our evolutionary past, and no longer of any use. Others say "hang on, it may still serve a purpose -- but we don't know what yet, it may be of use to the immune system". In other words, the dispute is between the "No" and the "maybe". The immune system function, by the way, is the medical equivalent of magic/religious function of archaeological objects. When archaeologists dig up some strange artefact of unknown purpose, they often attribute magical or religious import to it, simply because they have no idea what the hell it is.

[Yoshiboy]

Your logic is sending you to hell, mate.  I really wish you'd get that message.

Holy shit! So its just that you were afraid of going to hell if you didn't defy logic and mindlessly follow the words of god no matter how stupid they sounded! I forgot that one in my reason for people beliving in god. Probably because its the most pathetic incarnation of religion. Fear.

[Jaghatai Khan]

I forgot that one in my reason for people beliving in god. Probably because its the most pathetic incarnation of religion. Fear.

Exactly. Primitive savages threaten and instill fear. The smart and the evolved influence with empathy.