Why did Rome Fail to Conquer the Picts?

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Picts were not Scots, and the picts did not have enough trinkets, good land, gold, badassery to be worth it.

Consider this. If the USA and Mexico were the only countries in the world, Why would the USA not invade them?
 
See Julias Agricola's campaigns and Dere Street. The only reason the whole of Scotland wasn't brought into the Empire was that not all of the Pictish tribes were hostile (in fact, one was a key trading partner). The Roman presence started declining from around 100 AD, as did Roman interest in the region (not surprisingly, Scotland has a scarcity of good arable land and it's natural resources are useless till the industrial revolution).
 
Arch, there is debate over the legitimacy of Agricola's claims though.  Some believe it to be propaganda.

Overall the reason for the lack of conquest (or specifically occupation) is, as others have said, the distance from Rome's center and the lack of valuable resources.  It is a similar reason to why Germania was not conquered after Varus's death, the Romans didn't see it as cost effective.
 
Distance from Rome is important but not critical -- arguably, the highlands of nearby Africa and the Balkans and maybe even Italy were never "conquered" throughout the whole of Roman history, even though there were legions stationed in Nubia thousands of kilometers away.

An area needs a certain amount of development before it can be forced into an empire. You need towns, significant trade in bulk necessities like grain, etc. If all you've got is a bunch of hundreds of mostly self-sufficient villages and farmsteads, then you can march an army in and march an army out without really making much of an impact. You can burn and loot a bit, but there's not enough agricultural surplus to support a big garrison, and even if you do set up big forts in the valleys controlling the major rivers and fords, no one cares, because they're not dependent on trade anyway.

The way that places like Scotland and Wales were historically conquered was by settlement -- some other Germanic or Celtic group invaded, settled in the villages, intermarried with the existing tribes, and became the new tribal overlords. If you try that with professional soldiers, they will no longer be professional soldiers. An invading army might be able to change the demography or the language of such areas, but can't make them answer to an imperial or provincial capital.
 
Wasnt it because the Roman Empire was actually suffering alot of Barbarian attacks from all continental sides...I mean it's hard to send a good army to take many good legions to fight in a far away island that didnt had much significance...when they barely had armies to defend Rome and their own homeland.

The Pictish/Woads were also brave warriors and the scottish forests were just perfect to ambush the romans.
Ambushed situation and Forest Warfare was not particullary the best speciallity of the Roman legions like we can see as example the germans and how they held "well"...the Romans just stop caring in avancing and taking the rest of Germania.

So in Brittania they built the Adriano's Wall to keep what they considered "animals" outside. When Rome started declyning the Saxons came and puff ..... bb pictish and bb romans.

The Picts might have been brave warriors but it wasnt exactly for their bravery that Rome didnt took all the island.

I think was that  :roll:
 
Not to mention the logistical problems of even supplying your army past Hadrians wall, or the border of Scotland at the time, or rather, Caladonia as it was called.

Even though the Romans were probably the most ingenious engineers of all time, how are you going to be able to make safe supply lanes in a land that si so rugged, so full of barbarians that have no infranstructure for you to use, and so hard to reinforce granted the size of the empire?

Not to mention, Caladonia had no real importance as said before, and would be too much of a hassle for what little it had. Something the UN and US should realize with Afghanistan... :/
 
Archonsod said:
See Julias Agricola's campaigns and Dere Street. The only reason the whole of Scotland wasn't brought into the Empire was that not all of the Pictish tribes were hostile (in fact, one was a key trading partner). The Roman presence started declining from around 100 AD, as did Roman interest in the region (not surprisingly, Scotland has a scarcity of good arable land and it's natural resources are useless till the industrial revolution).
So then why did they need Hadrian's Wall if the parts they didn't bother to conquer weren't hostile?
 
mostly CBA
the invasion of britain was mostly for propaganda at the time anyways, as it was just after a major rebellion and the new emperor though he needed a big victory under his belt. basically the farther up britain you go the less interesting stuff there is, but hadrians wall was not built to keep the picts out, just to stop a big host coming down. if it was just built to keep them out why did they put gates every 10 miles or so. as mentioned above, some of the pictish tribes traded with the romansbut there wasnt much point in trying to extend control further north. the point that the romans couldnt draw them into the empire because they were scattered tribes does not hold water, because everyone in europe at the time were scattered tribal groups (gauls, iberians, germans, dacians, even the greeks to an extent)
 
the point that the romans couldnt draw them into the empire because they were scattered tribes does not hold water, because everyone in europe at the time were scattered tribal groups (gauls, iberians, germans, dacians, even the greeks to an extent)

They were "tribes", but not "scattered." Pre-Roman Gaul for example was politically divided, but had good rich farmland and was reasonably well-populated, particularly when compared to Scotland. Ditto southern Britain and Greece. Dacia meanwhile had a history of semi-centralized government; in fact, the development of a Dacian kingdom was probably why the Romans were able to conquer the place.

The dispersal of population and the absence of bulk trade is what makes a territory hard to conquer, not its political or social organization. If a region has no meaningful economic hub to garrison, and no tradition of allegiance to a central authority, then a centralized authority is going to have a lot of difficulty governing it.

Afghanistan as mentioned before is a good parallel -- it's actually been historically quite easy to march an army to Kabul, or Kandahar, or Herat. The problem is convincing all the little mountain villages that this means that they've been "conquered."
 
Pictish nationalism would add colour to the Scottish independence debate. I would love to see Alex Salmond Petitioned by 'them'.
 
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